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Awesomely Off-Topic: Books, Brands, Business and Everything Else We’re Not Supposed to Say Out Loud
🎙️ S2 E24: Room 101: The Great Hate Debate
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If you could banish one thing from modern life forever, what would it be? We take the Room 101 concept, let AI generate the prompts, then answer separately and debate live, which means you get the full range: petty annoyances, big moral lines, and the moments where we surprise ourselves by getting far deeper than planned.
We start with ethical “no brainer” nominations like foie gras and the wider realities of meat and dairy farming, then swerve into language and culture: phrases that keep people trapped, the baggage around “influencer”, and the social media behaviour that turns desperation into profit through fake scarcity and undeliverable promises. Along the way we rant about busy supermarkets, self-checkouts that make you feel like a suspect, and why Microsoft Teams feels like it was designed to test our patience.
The second half gets spicy and thoughtful: poorly researched documentaries and unbalanced journalism, the uncomfortable money trail behind Harry Potter, and a surprisingly big conversation about forgiveness. We dig into what forgiveness actually means, why “forgive and forget” is a trap, and how sometimes the person you need to forgive to move on is yourself. We finish with our golden ticket nomination that sits above everything else: getting rid of cruelty in all its forms, and what political ignorance has to do with it.
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Welcome And The Room 101 Idea
SPEAKER_03You're listening to Awesomely Off Topic. Books, brands, business, and everything else we're not supposed to say out loud. I'm Tad and Asher. Now let's get into it. Hello and welcome to another episode of Awesomely Off Topic. We thought we'd do something a little bit exciting for today's episode. Asher and I sat there chatting for ages thinking, what can we do? Because our last episode was a little bit deep, wasn't it? We wanted to Asher's nodding for the I'm nodding, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Sorry, I forgot to actually move. This is this bodes really well for this episode, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_02So eventually it's brilliant.
SPEAKER_05I'm quite nervous, that's why we opted.
SPEAKER_03And I said, let's do room 101. And Asher said, well, what do you mean? I said, well, let's get AI to come up with a series of room 101 questions for us, and then we'll both answer them separately, and then we'll discuss them live for the show. Well, live while we're recording it at least. But for anyone who doesn't know what room 101 is, room 101 initially came from George Orwell's 1949 novel, 1984. So in the novel, Room 101, some of you might remember this, is a torture chamber that's inside the Ministry of Love. And what happens inside that room is not the same for everybody. It contains whatever that particular person fears the most. So if you remember the movie or if you've read the book, the protagonist, Winston Smith, it turns out his biggest fear is rats. So his terror becomes so overwhelming that he eventually begs for the threatened torture to be inflicted on the woman he loves, Julia.
SPEAKER_05Oh, that's nice and jolly then, Taz. That's a really nice get to the nice bit, Taz now.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, that was the point of room 101 initially. It was the regime's ultimate way of breaking somebody by confronting them with the one thing they absolutely cannot bear. Now, just for a lovely bit of backstory, I've been doing my research on this. Can you tell?
SPEAKER_05I can tell. It's gone a bit dark already, though. I was hoping it'd be a bit lighter than that. It's gonna get dark. Thank goodness for that.
SPEAKER_03Why would he call that room 101, you might ask? Well, oh well, it's widely reported to have named it after room 101 at BBC Broadcasting House. Really? Yep. Where he worked during the Second World War. Apparently, he endured so many tedious meetings there, he disliked it enough to immortalise it through the location as of the worst thing imaginable.
SPEAKER_05So meetings about meetings, no doubt.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. Yeah. Anyway, the original room was later demolished during renovations, but the BBC did preserve the door. And then, of course, where some of our younger listeners might uh know it from, BBC turns that idea into the prom comedy program or promedy cogram, as I nearly said. Oh, I prefer that. Comedy proper Promedy Cogram. Easy for you to say. Yeah, no, it wasn't easy for me to say. No. Anyway, 1994, BBC turns the idea into a promedy program called Ring 101. And rather than deepest fears and totalitarian torture, also not easy to say, guests nominated their pet hates. So irritating people, objects, concepts, habits, general bits of life, they wanted banished forever. And in order to banish them, they would be put into you guessed it?
SPEAKER_05Room 101.
Food Ethics And Toxic Phrases
SPEAKER_03Initially it was Nick Hancock hosted it. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_05Many agrees.
SPEAKER_03Then Paul Merton, then Frank Skinner.
SPEAKER_05So what we're gonna do, we're gonna try and do. It can all go horribly wrong. I think it started like that already.
SPEAKER_03We're gonna do a bit of a bastardisation. So or well, your most unbearable terror. BBC, what really pisses you off. The awesomely off-topic version. He's like a lot kinder, I think, generally. Well, we'll see. That's where Taz and Asher secretly nominate things, then have a marital argument about which one deserves the eternal nomination.
SPEAKER_05That's almost certainly gonna happen, probably. So essentially almost certainly, probably. That's good. English.
SPEAKER_03If we both come up with the same, that's fine, it can stay in the room.
SPEAKER_05I don't know that we will, you know.
SPEAKER_03If we both come up with different ideas, we have to kind of debate them for say 60 seconds or so and choose which one's gonna go in.
SPEAKER_04This could be a really long podcast, I'm just thinking.
SPEAKER_03If we don't agree, then ultimately we just divorce life on our as well.
SPEAKER_04Right. Oh, yippee, I can't wait.
SPEAKER_03So we asked for 20 questions. I think we've got 20 plus a bonus one. We're gonna go for the first 10, and then we're gonna pause and do our caller of the week.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And then we're gonna go back into the last 10. So contenders, oh you read it.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_03Okay. So, Asher, number one. What food are you permanently banishing to Ream 101?
SPEAKER_05This isn't particularly funny or anything. I just like I really hate it. Foie gua gua. I can't even say it.
SPEAKER_03See, I thought you were gonna say something like steak and kidney pudding.
SPEAKER_05I knit that I changed it. That was my original. Honestly, I kid you not. It was gonna be that, but then I went, no, I can't even say it, but that because I hate the world. Yeah, because there was a time when they were talking about banning it. In fact, I think I they did for a while. It is banned in the UK, but you can still import it for that's what I mean, and I just think it's such a cruel thing, just for uh enjoyment. So, yeah, that would be the thing for me.
SPEAKER_03If anybody doesn't know what foie gras is and and why it's so uh cruel, do you want to explain Ash?
SPEAKER_05Well, it's because they force feed, don't they, the animal to to get that or the bird to get that result and get this beautiful plum. Yeah. Yeah, which creates the foie grass and have a feeding tube stuck down its throat and it's force fed more than it would ever eat normally in order to so a tiny part of the percentage of the population can indulge in that. It's not good for any of us, let alone the humans that eat it or the poor thing that's subjected to that before it dies. So that's why, sorry, that's not on the lightest of topics, but I did originally have steak and kidney pudding, but I changed my mind. But that's that felt more important. So there you go.
SPEAKER_03Fair enough. Do you want to know what I put? Go on them. Foie gras.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you didn't. I did. But you didn't. I did. Really, truly did. Oh my goodness, mate, you did? Yeah. What so did you have that as the first one or did you change it?
SPEAKER_03No, it's that was my first one.
SPEAKER_05So for the same same reasons or yeah, for exactly the same reasons.
SPEAKER_03Crew AF.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Okay, cool. Wow, look at that. That's a good start. Oh, it's like Mrs. and Mrs., isn't it? Like that quiz show that you'd be on. Right, okay.
SPEAKER_03So do you want to ask a question too?
SPEAKER_05Okay, so the next one was what word or phrase needs to disappear from the English language forever?
SPEAKER_03I went with a phrase and it's one I've ranted a lot about lately. And it was you've made your bed, so you must lie in it.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay, explain.
SPEAKER_03I hate that with a passion because it's very often used by older generations, I think. And I've heard it used for people who are in abusive relationships before now. And essentially it says, if you wanted something and then you got it, and it turns out to be something that you didn't want or didn't serve you, tough shit, you've got it. So you've got to stay there. And and I hate it, so I think it's responsible for so much pain, so much anguish, so many people, perhaps even not wanting to be here anymore. It's hideous. So burn the fucking bed. You do not have to sleep in your bed if you lay on it. You can just get rid of the bed, get yourself a new bed in a whole new place. And anybody telling you to lie in it, as far as I'm concerned, they can lie on the bed you're burning. Oh, that's really cool. That's gonna be a hard one to break.
SPEAKER_05I didn't have that. My my mine was a word, my word changed. You might go, oh, really? Yeah. My word was influencer.
SPEAKER_03Okay, why?
SPEAKER_05Because for me, when someone describes themselves as one, firstly, what does that even mean? And actually, in the world that we live in today, that's a powerful statement in its own right, and it can be abused, and we see it abused in the worst possible way with on social media and all the shit that comes out on social media regularly that is put across as fact when in fact it's not, it's just an opinion, because we now confuse the whole thing around opinion and fact, we need to get our facts right, and then we can an influence to anybody that calls themselves an influencer, I'm more I'm more likely to actually be less inclined to be influenced by them.
SPEAKER_03Ironically, it's the image it conjures up, doesn't it? So it does conjure up a stereotype. So for me, it conjures up somebody whose lips are fatter than their thighs for starters.
SPEAKER_05Does it? Yeah. Okay, well that's a bit of a judgment.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's terribly judgy. It conjures up for me some of the things that you've got to do. Well, not that I wasn't being judgmental. Absolutely plastic. Yeah. With you know, too much filler in their lips, probably stupid eyebrows, with whose makeup walks into the room before they do, and that's just the boys. But but you see, the issue I have with this is I don't have a word an issue with the word influencer. I've talked so many people through this because of course when somebody's out there and trying to build their personal brand, they kind of need to get into that influencer zone. But it's got a bad press, hasn't it? Not in the way that it's become known. What I mean is they need to get into the zone of influence. And if anything to do with your role has to do with helping people to live a better life or make better choices, or go for the career they want, or the haircut they want, or get out of a relationship that doesn't serve them and into one that they deserve, all of those things, you are essentially influencing that person. So you are by rights an influencer.
SPEAKER_05Okay, I think maybe then it's not the way it's the way it's used.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_05It's the way it's used, and those that claim have a claim to fame of being an influencer. Exactly that, I think, and it's got no kind of weight to it in a in a positive way. So I think out of the two, we now got to decide between us which one. I think yours gets that, it's got to, because it you know there's a much stronger argument, whereas we can see the flip side of the word influence.
SPEAKER_03Bring it back to something meaningful from the inside out.
SPEAKER_05Okay, so what we're going for.
SPEAKER_03Once we're going into room 101, is you've made your bed and they've got to lie on it.
SPEAKER_05Nice one.
Zoom Noises And Social Media Nonsense
SPEAKER_03Okay, so question three. What everyday sound would you happily never hear again?
SPEAKER_05I think this is gonna be an interesting one. Am I going first or are you? I asked the question, so you've got to answer the question. Right, okay. Well, this will make you laugh out loud because this has happened recently. Okay. I put on here the first thing that came to mind, and there's lots of things thinking about it now I could have put in, but I put the sound of someone typing loudly during a Zoom call. It does my absolute nuts. Sorry. And Taz did that on the call about two weeks ago or something. And it's like clatter, clatter, clatter. And particularly if you've got headphones on, which I invariably do have when I'm listening to stuff on a Zoom call. Yeah, and the volume up, and then all I can hear. Probably, but it drives me absolutely mad. Because for a start, okay, this is a judgment from my point of view, but I absolutely think, for goodness, how inconsiderate is that for everybody else? Because that means you're not paying attention, which is a huge judgment.
SPEAKER_03I was actually replying to somebody in the group messaging on the Zoom call who'd asked the question.
SPEAKER_05I know, and I've realized now, as I've said that, so again, I'm going to lose this argument without a doubt. You might not. But no, but I was going to say, realising it now, that actually the reason I do that is because yes, I am making a judgment call and because I don't like the chat box. If I'm in there, I want to actually look look at people, talk to them and use my voice when I'm communicating, not texting.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but I'm with you entirely, but sometimes people, for whatever reason, can't appear on the screen. Yeah, I get you. You can type. Yeah, so again, I'm so trying to push the keys really gently as well.
SPEAKER_05She'd be wearing gloves now, everybody, so it doesn't make a noise.
SPEAKER_03Or going into Zoom twice, once on the phone, so I can reply on that.
SPEAKER_05But yeah, go on. It's a it's a weak argument, so over to you. What did you put?
SPEAKER_03I think mine might be weaker, to be fair.
SPEAKER_05No, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_03So this year so far, this hasn't happened. But for most of the years we've lived here, it has.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_03And it's really petty.
SPEAKER_05Go on.
SPEAKER_03But it's one of those things. It was either going to be this or the Rotary Club Santa.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_03So or Lions, whichever one does Santa. Um that's another story for another one.
SPEAKER_05That sounds dodgy. They do sound right, okay. Let's carry on.
SPEAKER_03The remote control car that zips up and down the pavements on the road outside our house every bloody summer.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yes. Yeah, that would, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Honestly, it used to do mine. I knew it was being really cruel because it's probably some kid playing with that Christmas present. But it was so disruptive and so loud and so repetitive. It's like a dentist drill constantly being pushed into your ear hole.
SPEAKER_05A dentist drill on speed. Yeah. Yeah, I get it.
SPEAKER_01So that was mine.
SPEAKER_05Okay, but I would say actually technically the question was everyday sound, because it's not an everyday sound. It's not an everyday sound. Well, not every sound. He's not doing it every day, isn't it? Is he?
SPEAKER_03On Zoom every day.
SPEAKER_05No, but I'm I'm on Zoom more than I am. I'm on Zoom experiencing that, I would argue, more than you're experiencing in the car going up and down.
SPEAKER_03Typing into Zoom every time you're on, it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but equally, he's not out there every summer.
SPEAKER_03I think every single one of the last literally means every single day.
SPEAKER_05I'm just trying to win that one.
SPEAKER_03I think actually yours should win that one.
SPEAKER_05Why should it, though?
SPEAKER_03Because that's far more of a common sound that would irritate more people than my localized.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, because they may never have heard that.
SPEAKER_03If anybody local is listening to this, I'm sorry, I don't know, I was playing with the car, I just hate the noise. If I had 50 people for every time I'd threatened to go out there and could we go out there with a muffler?
SPEAKER_05Could we get put yeah, but then that'd be noisy as well, it'd be a crunchy noise.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but just the ones.
SPEAKER_05Okay, but we could put little mufflers on the tyres or something on it.
SPEAKER_03Just take the wheels off it.
SPEAKER_05Well, that's a good idea. It'd be very slow, wouldn't it? Okay.
SPEAKER_03So I think so. And of course, the other issue with yours is the amount of times somebody is having a private chat with somebody in the chat box in a group while you're actually trying to run that. I've had that before as well. Once people start whatsapping each other or going into the group chat. See, that's rude. That's fucking rude.
SPEAKER_05I just I think it's like if you've got if we were in would you do that, but would you do that in person? Maybe you would. Maybe you feel comfortable doing that. I personally don't. If I'm in, if it's particularly if it's quite a small group, I'd feel really embarrassed that I'm not paying attention.
SPEAKER_03It's so obvious.
SPEAKER_05On the rare occasions when I've done it, and I have done it, I admit it. We've all done it at various points.
SPEAKER_03On occasion, my inattentiveness sometimes.
SPEAKER_05No, but I'm very conscious and I check in, because if I'm doing that, and I think that means I'm not giving that person that space to say what they want to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_03So I think yours should go in there. So in 101, we're putting what?
SPEAKER_05We're putting in somebody. Someone typing. Oh no, someone typing loudly during a zoom call.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03On the on the same computer they're zooming on.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, okay. So so I've got to ask you a question now. What social media behaviour is going straight in? And this is this is question four, isn't it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I thought fake sales shit.
SPEAKER_04Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03So faux scarcity, undeliverable promises, like you know, you're gonna just follow these false steps and you'll be a millionaire by next Tuesday. You'll have a six or seven figure launch. Olocks. All these people capitalising on other people's desperation to make something of themselves, or to be of service, or to just be able to afford to live to to to have the career of their dreams, the that fulfil their soul mission. And I cannot bide it. So that's what I'd put in there. Fake sales shit.
SPEAKER_05Okay. What about yours? I went for those kind of attention-seeking posts, like, oh DM me, DM me when it's really like Yeah, all of that stuff, and it's just like, oh for goodness sake, come on, you know, just why do you have to bring it to here? There's a zillion places you could go before putting it out to everybody in the whole world, and it just feels like it's like it's circles upon circles. So if again, that's by my my worldview, but if that were me, I'd be consulting my inner circle for that.
SPEAKER_03So my my closest people close to them.
SPEAKER_05There's still other things you can do other than putting it all over social.
SPEAKER_03Is it all over social or are they talking to their friends and you happen to see their feed? And maybe they don't understand how to make it friends only or something, or to isolate it.
SPEAKER_05Now I'm feeling guilty. I'm feeling guilty, but it does annoy me a bit. Because there are certain types of posts, not everywhere, and I'm I again I'm in judgment. I feel really guilty now, like that's it. I need to go and do 20 genuine things.
SPEAKER_03So I'm arguing for mine here, because mine's genuinely damaging and yours is an irritant. So which is going in room 101?
SPEAKER_05It's yours.
SPEAKER_03Very much.
SPEAKER_05Yep, okay.
SPEAKER_03Right
Supermarket Stress And Meat Farming
SPEAKER_03then. Question five. What supposedly normal bit of everyday life do you absolutely bloody hate?
SPEAKER_05Really busy supermarkets. I know we've got at least one listener that listens to us from the supermarket when they're shopping. I really hats off to you, Tracy Bournemouth, because I don't know how you do it. But busy supermarkets, and especially if probably actually does claim bad boy, does it really? Yeah, but with automate like checkouts, automated checkouts and stuff, like that stresses the life out of me. And when it goes beep and you can't work out why it's going beep because you might have moved the bag by like a quarter of a millimetre, and then you've got to get the person that's giving the bag a little shake. Yeah, and the person comes over, and then you feel like you're a shoplifter because they're glaring at you trying to work out what's going on, and you've like having to excuse yourself because you feel really guilty, like they might think you've nicked a an individual pee off the shelf or something. I don't know, that sort of stuff. And also that just that whole automated thing, if it goes wrong, because they're great when they work, but now you you're on camera as soon as you walk towards it. Even the way you stand, you're like, and I am anyway. It's like, oh, do I stand something or do I look a bit dodgy? You know, I'm trying to be nice to the people. I was in one yesterday, weren't we? And I was saying to you, I was like, she was very efficient, yeah, but she was quite scary. Quite efficient as well. Well, I'm supposed to be, it's not an terribly enjoyable thing, but I don't want to be so stressed. So it's got to be busy supermarkets for me, like that. But it's not just a supermarket busyness that adds to it. It's actually more about the automated checkouts.
SPEAKER_03Can I add to that a little bit? Which is often a tangent, but I think it goes with it nicely. I like this in Lidl or Lidl.
SPEAKER_05Lidl.
SPEAKER_03Lidl, little stupid bloody thing they've got where you've finished getting your shopping. Oh, yeah. And then you have to lift your receipt up to shoulder level to scan the barcode on your receipt in order for the gate to open to let you out. So you've got your hands full of shopping bags.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You've probably stuffed your receipt in a pocket somewhere. Yep. How on earth do they think that's going to stop anybody shoplifting? It's not. All it does is it slows you up at the gate and makes you dislocate your arm trying to lift the bloody receipts.
SPEAKER_05And then you've got a few of people behind you getting peed off because they're literally just going to go out and you go to their car and off home they go. And then you're delaying them again, even if they've been queuing up to go on the automated checkout. Because there aren't enough people. Or they've chosen not to staff the tills.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Okay, yeah, so that's mine.
SPEAKER_03Okay, um, I'm just gonna say for the record, I think I've won this one.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_03Are we ready?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Meat farming.
SPEAKER_05Ooh. Okay. And carry on.
SPEAKER_03Meat farming. Breeding anything specifically to kill it so that we can eat it.
SPEAKER_05Ooh. You've got to give us a come on, give us a bit more.
SPEAKER_03Well, have we got to give you more than that? Creating life in order to destroy life.
SPEAKER_05You might have people on here that are absolute staunch meat eaters.
SPEAKER_03I used to be one of them. I get it. I'm the worst kind of like a reformed smoker. No, I get it. And there's arguments that will say things like, well, if we stopped doing meat production, all of those all of those breeds would would become extinct anyway. And I'd I used to say the same. Well, yeah, but what's better for that breed to not exist or for them to be being bred specifically to be killed? And for their young to be being torn away from them at a young age and to have the mother cows screaming for their calves that are going off to be turned into veal. Then there's pheasants being bred to be shot. Chickens and some of the terrible, terrible, cruel circumstances they're being housed in. And then that goes into dairy farming as well. And I'm not necessarily picking on organic, but still, if you've ever been backstage, as it were, in a dairy farm and seen them all standing there in their little tiny pens with robot suckers stuck onto their teats for days in, days out, and all being bred to have udders that carry more and more milk so that they're actually too heavy for next time you look at a cow, whether it's a meat cow or a dairy cow, think about the size meat cows are being bred to. So you get more meat and they're worth more, and then look at the size of their spindly little legs, and then look at dairy cows, and look at the weight, the gallons of milk that others are carrying, and again, their skinny, tiny, spindly little legs, and then imagine them standing day after day after day to have that milk pumped out of them. And let's just add another little bit to this. What does an animal need to be in order to produce milk? Pregnant. So then what happens is straight away the calf is scraped out of them, sent to wherever it needs to go, and then they are pumped full of. Hormones in order to make them uh fertile again straight away, and then they are artificially inseminate inseminated in order for them to get pregnant again to go through that cycle that is their entire life, and then when they can no longer produce milk, bye. Wow, so that's not just meat meat. I could change it actually from meat farming to any animals being bred specifically to kill.
SPEAKER_05So, and as you we said, with we know with with milk we always say, you know, cows' milk is for baby cows. It's for you know, baby cows, not for people. But hey, there you go. Wow, well, I can't compete with that one. Mine's really petty at the end of the day, comparis comparatively. So let's go for that one then.
SPEAKER_03Of course, it's not just cows and pigs and sheep and yeah, anyway.
SPEAKER_05Okay, we'll go for that one then, Daz.
SPEAKER_03Rue 101.
SPEAKER_05Cool.
Beauty Trends And Business Posturing
SPEAKER_03Right then. Your turn to ask, and what question is this? Is this six now?
SPEAKER_05Right, number six. I think the dog may have to go out for a wee in a minute, so as you're answering, I will go and let him out, but I'll do the question first. What fashion item or trend deserves immediate destruction? I'm just gonna go and let the dog out now or let the dog's out, and I'll keep talking as I move.
SPEAKER_03Now, this is an interesting one because I got I know I'm not allowed to do this, but I actually put two because for me they're part of the same thing. I've got HD Rails and actually. And I'm not sure which is worse.
SPEAKER_02So HD Rails. What on earth? Frank side button. If you don't remember Frank Sidebottom, then think about angry birds. Why would you want to look like an angry bird?
SPEAKER_03Why are you going out there having pretty obviously fine? Tattoos, drawn out to your eyebrows, but you could have done it with a shelf your eyebrows walk into the room an hour before you do. And then there's the other point you've seen a lot of like why are people getting rid of their eyebrows entirely? What are you doing? What? And yes, I'm being judging judge face, but why do you have mirrors in your house? What? And then the lip thing. So how many gallons of stuff are you sticking into your lips to give you a trout?
SPEAKER_05You've had more than one now, Tad. You're on more than one.
SPEAKER_03Well, for me, they are the same kind of thing, these kind of semi-permanent, not quite plastic surgery, but semi-permanent alterations that frankly, not even Barbie would. This Frank again. Yeah, not even Barbie would go for.
unknownReally?
SPEAKER_02So that's nice.
SPEAKER_05Okay, I love that one. So I'm voting that in already because I didn't even think of that one. But I put one thing, and this is got this is me being so ungirly now, so because I know this is a thing at the moment. You can have perfectly lovely shirts or blouses, depending on your language, with all the frilly bits on. Why do we put frilly bits on them? They look ridiculous. It looks like somebody's just got an old got a shirt and then just got a bit off their up their grandmother's old nighty and stuck it on to make it look in a vegan as pretty.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that's that looks nice, and then I'll bring it out. There's either one of those stupid tidings.
SPEAKER_05Or a bow. It's like a bow, and it's like, why do you want to get it? Because hang on a minute, that Lady Diana kind of look was out in 1982 because I know, because I did it then.
SPEAKER_03Three cuffs, and nine times out of ten, I'll end up dangling in your coffee or in your soup.
SPEAKER_05I know, not good. I j it it's just ridiculous. I just think they look you can have a beautiful garment, but why would you put that on? Because that's again, it's all you see. You miss all the other nice stuff about the garment, and then you just see these frilly things stuck on with a bit of blue-tack.
SPEAKER_03I know, it's like we're going back to Elizabethan colours, isn't it? I think they were better actually.
SPEAKER_05So that's mine, but I think yours wins. See, I think yours wins as well. I don't know which one we put in there. What do we think? Listeners, what do you think? Maybe you don't agree with either of them.
SPEAKER_03Maybe you There's going to be people listening with with huge lips and HD brows, probably.
SPEAKER_05And frilly blouses. Frilly blouses.
SPEAKER_03All three. All three. And eyebrows that look like an angry bird. Yeah. And a really frilly shirt. Well, because it would be would it give me a blouse?
SPEAKER_05Good luck to them. And if that's what floats their boat, I say go for it. But for me, I don't understand it. That's that's like most things in life though, isn't it? If we don't understand things, we need to ask people why they love that. So if that's you and you think what we're talking is a load of bullshit, which happens quite a bit anyway, but if you don't agree with us, please, please, please get in touch and tell us why you think it is lovely and why you enjoy wearing that and having that.
SPEAKER_03Why is there an obsession with making your eyebrows darker? No, now it's extremes, isn't it? So either they look like they've been like they're sponsored by Sharpie, or there's nothing at all.
SPEAKER_05And the thing is, when we it's ironically, because I often think we've both we've both got really light eyebrows, quite light eyebrows. You have particularly.
SPEAKER_03It just looked ridiculous.
SPEAKER_05I did all you could see with the eyebrows, and and I was like lost. I just I kept looking at my eyebrows going, what's in a light bit of powder?
SPEAKER_03It's just like, no, it's not you anymore.
SPEAKER_05I know, very strange. But each of their owners have said, you know, please don't take offence, it's just our views. So if you'd like to well, you can, this Taz will just say that. I'm trying to be nice.
SPEAKER_03It can only ever be taken.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so get in touch and let us know. Ring the hotline and let us know. We'd love to hear from you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly. But it's not funny.
SPEAKER_05Merlin agrees. See, even our cat agrees we've got stupid hair colours. Yeah. Okay, Taz. So what's next then?
SPEAKER_03Which one's going in? So this is the thing we're supposed to fight for a red, and now I'm fighting for yours and you're not going to be able to do it.
SPEAKER_05Oh no, I know. I think it's I think it's got to be the HD bros. Because I'll tell you why I think that that just tips it for me. It's a bit like everything. You know, when you see somebody that you think you're so lovely, why are you just wearing all of that? Yeah, it's the layers, it's literally the layers, and I want to s and that takes me from away from other stuff.
SPEAKER_03No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. But whose idea of nice is that fulfilling? I hate that way. It's a bit of Mar a Lago, isn't it?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. A little bit. Yeah. Okay. Right, we'll go for that then.
SPEAKER_03So it's so we are HD browser bleak lip fillers are going in there.
SPEAKER_05Right. So, question seven, you've got to ask me, haven't you?
SPEAKER_03Question seven. Right. What business bullshit are you consigning to room 101, Asha?
SPEAKER_05You know my least favourite word when it comes to business. What's my S word, least favourite? Calling everything a strategy. Everything is a strategy. When it's actually like, I don't know, three Canva posts and a and a half an email and a something else.
SPEAKER_03What's the worst though? Strategy or journey.
SPEAKER_05Oh, they're on a path.
SPEAKER_03Your journey to create a strategy.
SPEAKER_05Oh no, just strategy. It's like we use that and then it's our professional. We're put on our professional face on. Let's use the word strategy, even though it could just be a painting by numbers thing, or something that we've got on Facebook every day that's much. And something that we've put into AI that would probably have taken us on. A and I. There you go. A and I, that famous did I say A and I? AI. AI. We've put it into this, you know, we've put it into the machine, and it takes like two minutes, and if we were doing that, it would be a life's work. And it's like, it's a strategy because I've put it into AI, and there it is. So yeah, that's got to be my one. And it because it's just so overused, and it's like, what you know, what does that even mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's kind of lost its meaning now. Yeah. It's like blueprint.
SPEAKER_05Yes. Yeah, so that's mine. What about you?
SPEAKER_03The idea that you have to take down your own.
SPEAKER_05Am I shouting? I might be shouting a bit actually. Sorry, guys, I get very passionate about it.
SPEAKER_03Shall I go? Because I'm standing out. Sorry, Taza, to both of you. You have to take down your competitors.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_03I hate that. That's a classic grunt card, don't um what's the word I'm looking for for strategy?
SPEAKER_05Exactly, Melanie agrees.
SPEAKER_03You don't have to create all your competitors. In fact, if you're doing your job well, there is there's no such thing as a competitor. Because you're all you're all gonna bring your own your own unique spin to it, your own unique energy and approach. So there's no such thing as a competitor. But this idea that you have to take your competitors down, it's fear-based, it makes you small, and it creates unwarranted nastiness in business that we don't need. I think we should clean our hats up.
SPEAKER_05Love it. Yours winds. I'm not even going to argue with that. My one's just an irritant.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_05So we'll go with you. Right then. That's going in 101 then, Ted.
Chores We Hate And Bad TV
SPEAKER_02So question eight.
SPEAKER_05I had several on here. Oh, have I got to ask you the question? I think you had to ask me. No, is it that way around? Yeah, I just asked you what business bullshit you're consigned to room 101.
SPEAKER_03So now it's your turn.
SPEAKER_05Ah yes, okay. So question eight is what household chore would you erase from existence?
SPEAKER_03Dusting. Not something I do anyway. There are no household chores I believe.
SPEAKER_05That's where I was. Oh, you like taking the bins out? Because I nine times out of ten do that. I know, but even so, even oh, okay. Oh, I see. That's the way you get round it. Yeah, but it's mostly me, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03Because you remember and I'd forget.
SPEAKER_05I always put a reminder on good old A-L-E-X-A.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, dusting, because it just comes back again. There's no point. What for?
SPEAKER_05Well, mine is that's a good argument. Again, you've got better arguments than me because I could have put that on. I did have that. I then had oh loads of different things. Then I put I put ironing. Because to me, it's like I never got past the I know you can practice ironing your socks. I never got practi I got never got past that bit really.
SPEAKER_03You were taught to practice ironing socks.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, when I was a kid, that was the first thing I was taught with an iron. Yeah, just to try it, to see what it was like to iron. Why? Because I don't know, because there was a chance of less damage, I suppose. No, but I I just vaguely remember my mum saying, have a go at that, and ironing a I think it was socks and a tea tail. It was just like really stuff that if it fucked up, it wouldn't matter so much, I suppose, in hindsight. I've sworn twice on this. Apologies, everybody. I don't know. Terrible, terrible. So it's got to be ironing, but that's just purely from a point of view of a standing up ironing. Um, and we know what happens to you when you iron Taz. You've got lots of ironing stories, one of which you shared on an earlier podcast. And also when you actually got trapped in the ironing.
SPEAKER_03I did get trapped in an ironing board. I'm with you, I think ironing has to go in there.
SPEAKER_05Do you?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Why?
SPEAKER_03Because it's the faff as well, isn't it? You've got to put the ironing board up and then try and find mainly not going to trip over it, and then you've got to plug in the iron and make sure that it can reach the ironing board and that you've got water in the iron. I'd rather just use a steamer.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_03And the other day, when I was putting a t-shirt on, I thought, oh, the sleeves, the sleeves are a bit creased. I reali I re realised that I could actually use hair straighteners to quickly iron the sleeves of a t-shirt.
SPEAKER_05I can't believe you did that. And it was alright, it didn't burn or anything. Yeah. So that's right, that's going in then.
SPEAKER_03So I think ironing goes into room.
SPEAKER_05We're gonna put right room 101, ironing. Okay, so what's next, Tess? Right then.
SPEAKER_03So this is question nine. What TV program, film, or entire type of television can fuck off forever?
SPEAKER_05Are you you see, do you want me to be funny or do you want me to be a bit more serious?
SPEAKER_03It's up to you.
SPEAKER_05I don't know. From the serious point of view, I've got to say because it's current as we're recording this. So I put initially I put soap operas, because I don't even call them soap operas anymore, because some of the acting I think is just horrendous. And the storylines are ridiculous, some of them. Not all of them, some of them. And then I thought that's not fair because I loved Brookside and I'd love Brookside to come back. So, you know, so I can't do that. And then I went from that to the other extreme. Oh no, I loved Brookside, it was brilliant. I actually I actually worked on the set of Brookside, can I just say I didn't think I did, yeah, and I got a chance to act on the set as well. It was so exciting. I know it was fab. So the other thing I had was I've put here poorly researched documentaries with just one side of the story.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I wonder where that's come from.
SPEAKER_05I can't think where that could possibly have come. Nothing to do with a documentary that's been out very, very recently about the ADHD myth. Yeah. And with a particular channel that really let me down who I'm a huge fan of, channel four. I'm looking at you. Taz has just choked on a bottle of water, Taz. Could you do it quietly, please? Oh, that's alright. You need you need washing, cleansing, cleansing. Yeah, so that's got to go on there for me because checking fairy mic isn't moist. You know, like you know when you have that serious moment, then somebody really ruins it, which is exactly it. And this is time, so I wish I could edit, but on the other case, on the other hand, maybe it's better that I don't. But yeah, that that's gotta be because to me it's like it's it's it's lazy, it's lazy journalism, and if you're gonna talk about such such a you know complex topic, subject, then at least go away and present lots of different views, not just one. Give people a a choice about you know of all the different viewpoints so that you can people can your audience can make up their own mind. Don't just put it all on one view, you know. It's about get the balance right. That's for me, that's the premise of good journalism, always. As a journalist, I say that and I'll stand by that always. So yeah, that's
Potter Money And Teams Rage
SPEAKER_05gotta be for me. So that's my serious one.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03So what about you? Like you, I had a number of choices on this. Initially, I was gonna talk about shows that masquerade as news programs when they are not reporting the news and they're just stirring up political. Yeah, Merlin agrees again. Yep. Particularly those who actually call themselves a news show and then fought to legally ensure that they were not actually a news program in order to get around off command rules and GB news. But then I thought, well, I've I've written about that extensively and people can find that online. And then I thought, then I got torn between another two, and I went, I'm a celebrity because I really hate the way creatures are treated on that. And I don't mean the celebrities. And then I went the Harry Potter series because it's funding more transphobia.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So I think with all of that, I'm gonna go for anything Harry Potter now. Not because of anything the original cast have done, that they're brilliant, but I think we've now gone too far to divorce the story from JKKK. Um we know that everything from merchandise through to the new TV show through to trips to the Warner Brothers studio set are going to be actively funding division and transphobia. They're actively funding, in extreme cases, I would argue, the loss of life.
SPEAKER_05We've got such a we've got a challenge here because I totally 100% agree with you on that. Absolutely. But these two but the both of these choices are the same thing really, though, aren't they? Yes, because if you look at the, you know, they've got a huge responsibility, Channel 4, in producing this documentary, and to be able to share that to millions of people and to only show one perspective one view of that. And a really damaging view of that. Yeah, and that to me is letting everybody down, and it's and it that could also lead to really, you know, bad times for a lot of sections of the population.
SPEAKER_03So I I don't I think I think it this needs to be yours because I know you've been s you've been prompted to do this by one particular documentary.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But that has much wider scope going forwards, and that kind of ties into the GB News thing as well, then mouse breaking us. It's journalism, isn't it? Reporting and journalism, and then arguing that they're not but calling themselves.
SPEAKER_05And also it's hiding behind an opinion. So who's making those decisions? And this is something actually that we talked about earlier in the week. Now I was going to put out an article on this, and I decided not to because there's so much that's been happening in the last couple of weeks, which has been horrendous for families that have been affected by it, and I didn't want to bring this up, but one of the things I want to talk about is our responsibilities as journalists, but also the people above those journalists doing the job that they're paid to do, and the angle that that newspaper magazine will take is not often, very often, at all, a decision that the journalist takes. It's further up the tree.
SPEAKER_03Or they could write it completely differently and it goes through the editors. Yeah, and it's changed. So I think to actually That's not to say that there aren't reporters out there who are who are bad. We we've met We've met once. Yes, of course, but that's but you still then have to look up the chain and go, who's employed that person who is going to court wrong?
SPEAKER_05And actually, what's you know what why is this who where's this come from? Yeah, you know, why is this still being pursued? Why is this? Who's giving permission for that to happen? Allowing that to happen, in fact, not only allowing possibly, but also encouraging it to happen. So I think that's why. So yeah, so what do we do to ask?
SPEAKER_03I I think yours has to go in there because it covers a much wider scope than either of mine, and I think the JK thing, I think everyone has to just take that by their you use their own conscience with that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And you know, I d personally don't understand how anybody who sees themselves as an ally or anywhere on the LGBTQIA uh family can still be supporting because even if it's the old movies and old clothes and oh I love that character and I love the story. Yeah, we all love the story, but there are so many other stories out there now that are not causing the same level of damage, and I think it's been pushed so far now that anything potterse is inextricably linked to hate to specifically funded skewed hate. And anyone supporting that now essentially has blood on their hands. But still, that's one section of society. Whereas yours potentially, because you've talked about uh poorly researched and poorly placed documentaries, has a much wider scope potentially, so I think it has to be yours.
SPEAKER_05Okay, okay, thank you. Right, so last one before we take a break. So yeah. So is it my time to ask you? Yes. Is it? I can't remember which way we're in. Okay. Okay. What piece of technology regularly makes you want to launch it through a window?
SPEAKER_01Teams. Microsoft Teams.
SPEAKER_03Sorry, Microsoft. Can we just get rid of anything other than Zoom? Things we know Zoom works, Zoom is wonderful, Zoom does everything we need it to do.
SPEAKER_05Please, can we just get the fuck rid of Teams? But why is it though? It seems to be much more the corporate thing is going down the route of well certainly our experience in the UK anyway.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I don't know, but it's it's hideous. What do you not like about it? I hate the way the I hate the format. I hate the layout, I hate that I can't move my little screen into different places around the screen so that I'm not being distracted. I hate that I can't there's no filters on it. I hate that that it's it just it's not as functional. And I hate when Teams is used to broadcast a talk to a wide number of people. I've had this a few times where I'm sitting there as the speaker with nobody on my screen other than a big black square and the person controlling the Teams meeting. I can't interact properly. I hate it with an absolute passion, and it's far more glitchy than Zoom.
SPEAKER_05Any techies that are out there listening, I know we do have quite a few, judging by where our listeners are coming from, particularly in the US. Could you explain that a little bit to us maybe about the tech and how they differ between the two? And while Tazi's thoughts on that might yeah, exactly why. Please phone in our hotline and tell us. See, Merlin agrees as well. That's it for me. That's totally it. The dog's gonna bark. No, he's not. That's another. No, no, no, no, no. Shh and shh, not to our listeners, you don't need to shush, I'm just shushing the dog. Uh uh. So Asher, what about yours? Mine's really weak and feeble, but this is the one that I really struggled on. I think my thoughts kind of left my body for a few minutes. I just put I just put really flippantly, I put any pe anything that ch any piece of technology that changes where the button was since the last time I used it. It was a really good example. Yes, because I've literally updates what was I on? I was on Facebook the other day, wasn't I? And I said, shoot, has I've lost what was it I'd lost? Oh, I was trying to do some I was scheduling a post for a client, I think, or something on my phone, and it had changed slightly. And I do, yeah, exactly. I'm a dinosaur guy, so what can I say? Honestly. Any techie people want to give me any lessons, please let me know. So I'm on top. Because yours is mine's a bit crap. No, go for yours. Okay, right, and I think Taz.
SPEAKER_03It's probably time to pause and have our caller of the week. Let's
Caller Of The Week Break
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SPEAKER_03Oh, thank you so much for that, Kelly. That's Kelly from NTP Services. That's because she and Daryl both came onto our Heart of Speaker training earlier this year, Heart of Speaking. And yeah, they both really smashed it. So that's lovely, lovely feedback to here. Thank you so much. Okay, so back to room 101.
Manipulation And Pop Culture Hot Takes
SPEAKER_03Question 11. Okay. Are you ready, Ash? Yep. What behaviour in other people disproportionately winds you up? Oh goodness me.
SPEAKER_05People manipulating to get what they want.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05So kind of, you know, or stating things that actually are not true, or elaborating things to get their way, elaborating on things, but manipulation, I think.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yes, yes, but I mean in a in a negative way. Yeah. It's gonna impact on somebody, maybe affect their I don't know, their sense of self.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_05You know, their confidence.
SPEAKER_03Livelihoods, the sense of self, the confidence, the relationships, all of that. The trust.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I hear you. I put cynicism. I was gonna put prejudice, but that's a bit obvious for me. I kind of talk about that a lot. I'm a big fan of scepticism, but I hate cynicism. I think it's negative, it brings people down, and people sometimes go into cynicism because they've you know it makes get some laughs, but they don't seem a bit funny. But then I think they get they step into that mindset too much and it's it's a mind rot. So probably of those, what are we going for Ash, yours or mine? Well they're both they're both valid, aren't they?
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Possi what possible we've got to choose one. We've got to choose one, but I'm not sure which one, because they're both of equal importance, wouldn't you say? Yeah. So how do we argue that out then? Because I should be arguing my case and you should be arguing your case. So that's how technically room 101 works, isn't it? Otherwise, people saying you're not debating, not arguing, debating. Debating's the word. Yeah. So what do we what do we go for?
SPEAKER_03Well, I suppose looking at things, if I'm concerned about cynicism eating somebody from the inside out, that's only really harming them, so it's self-harm, really. Whereas manipulation is causing harm to others. So maybe you'd have to go with that. What do you think, Ash? I reckon we're going with yours on that one.
SPEAKER_05Right, let's put that one manipulation in room 101. Room 101. Okay, so question 12. Yours. Oh yeah, sorry. Okay. What popular thing does everybody else seem to love that you simply do not understand? Line of duty. Do you know what? I nearly put that. I had that and then I took it off and I went, oh, I've just tapped my hairy mic. I mean my fairy mic, not my hairy mic. What's that? Something completely different. Is it related to fairy mic? I don't know. I love hairy mic. It could be. So rude, so rude. What is that rude? I don't know, I'm not sure. Carry on, Taz. Right, so line of duty.
SPEAKER_03So I put line of duty because people have been raving on to us about line of duty forever and a day, and we tried watching it. Now, maybe this is because we went in toward the end instead of watching it from the start. Maybe if you watch it from the start, you don't notice the absolutely appalling script writing and terrible acting.
SPEAKER_05God, that's so controversial. People think it's amazing. Maybe. Loads of people that we know and we respect and love and stuff have said you've just got to watch it. Because we had this big debate, didn't we, over whether Mass debate. Because we've never really that's a headline from another day, that is. But have we had loads of conversations about it, haven't we, with other people? And they've said, right, go back to the beginning, because I think we saw it towards the end of the last series before. Has it come back again yet?
SPEAKER_03I don't know, but even if we saw it toward the end, even if we did. No, it's done now, isn't it?
SPEAKER_05No, they've haven't they aren't they doing something else now, I think.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I don't know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Anyway, even if probably the main character being in the shower and then came back. Anybody Ah, the reference. So if you can get the reference, ring up on the hotline and tell us what the reference is.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so even if we didn't understand the story, it still seemed plastic and silted and just really shoddy. So maybe we'll pick a a a bad episode. How do I know? I don't know. So yeah. Line of duty. Sorry, not sorry.
SPEAKER_05Oh dear you're gonna get some complaints about that one. Good. The hotline's gonna be ringing and ringing. That's gonna be good. We're like that.
SPEAKER_03The hot line of duty.
SPEAKER_05So what's yours, Ash? I've mentioned it before. I I've just got I've got to say it. Bingo. I just don't get it. I just do not get it at all. I really don't.
SPEAKER_03I just don't yet again something that millions of people love to do regularly.
SPEAKER_05I just don't understand it. I just a dabba dobba dibber, we've said that before, whatever it's called. I just maybe I've played it a little bit, but I've just don't I don't get it. Lots of people in quite a you know, not a small area, but loads of people shouting and screaming with lots of fat ladies and I don't mean fat ladies, I mean it's a minute too sixty. What is it? I don't know. 88, actually. 88, that's it. I'm not being really two fat ladies, eighty-eight. I just I don't I just I just think two little ducks, twenty-two. I don't get it at all. And then and then you can get legs eleven! Yeah, and you can get I've only got two and and the whole thing is the whole thing is with with you know you can get like versions of it to play at home, and I'm like, why? Just why? Just do Sudoku or something that kind of I don't know. It just I just find it really. See, I understand bingo more than line of duty. Do you? Yeah. Oh no, that is really ultra controversial. Well, if there's somebody listening, more than one person, I hope, that loves line of duty and loves bingo too. That's what I was thinking earlier. I mean, what would they do if they're gonna be able to do that? We could lose half our audience. And what about people in the US? Presumably they have do they have bingo in the US? I'm guessing they do. Or is something called something else?
SPEAKER_03Could be.
SPEAKER_05Because didn't I have to describe it and it was I missed out the key thing that described it?
SPEAKER_03You did.
SPEAKER_05So it's gotta be it's gotta be bingo. I just I I don't know what my argument is really, other than I just feel it's quite pointless.
SPEAKER_03I know you it's not pointless though, because you are literally trying to get all your numbers crossed off in order to win money. So how is that pointless?
SPEAKER_05I know, but I just yeah, but I've got to sit there with loads of other people with weird things in me heading and stuff, and it's like you could do it with a by row if you want to. And I don't, and I don't, you know what? The second thing I put, I'm gonna sound like a right old party pooper now. And this the reason why I took it off here and changed it from this thing I'm just gonna mention to bingo was because I suddenly realised the line that I simply do not understand. Because this other thing that I put down, I do understand. Well, you do understand bingo, you understand how it works.
SPEAKER_03I'm not saying I'm a massive fan of bingo fan, don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER_05I kind of do, but I also think there's a lot of people that also pin a lot of their hopes and dreams on that, and it's just But they also go for the social aspect and to get out of their head. Yeah, but I suppose it's everything else that goes with it. But you could say the same about a church hall. It's other things around the say the same about the church hall. A lot of people don't go for the actual bingo, they go for all the smaller. Machines around a lot of people don't go to church for to be prayerful, they go to gossiping bitch with people that are. Yeah, all right, yeah. I know it's controversial. I know it is controversial. So what was the thing you nearly put? Drinking. Alcohol. Okay. Because and then I thought, I can't put that because I used to regularly drink all the time. Yeah, me too, generally. And I just just the most horrendous hangovers and feeling like absolute, I don't know what, like I was, you know, I'd spent the night in the devil's armpit. I just, it was like is that a pub? Yeah, yeah, it should be. Actually, it should be, shouldn't it? Maybe that's a armpit. Let us know anybody if there's a pub or the devil's armpit.
SPEAKER_03What was worse, the devil's armpit or the devil's groin. Oh, definitely the groin.
SPEAKER_05I think so I'd go for the airport. The airport, I was gonna say. The armpit. The devil's airport. The hairy airport. I was gonna say so the hairy armpit, but there you go. Oh no, I'm not even.
SPEAKER_03Not too long back. Neither of us drink now. We're about as close to teetotal as you can get. The very odd, not as in strange, but the occasional. The occasional little nip of a single malt because I'm a single malt nerd. Yeah. And not too long back, we were both saying, should we have a glass of wine on holiday? And that sounds nothing, lots of people listening to this will have several every night, I would think. But we've not had wine in such a long time. No. And we were saying, shall we have a nice glass of red when we go out, go away?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So given that we were having that conversation, why would you then want to put drinking? I think it's Or is it drinking without boundaries?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, drinking without boundaries. Because for me, I've seen so many things. I've been to weddings, funerals, where people have got more and more merry, and it's all been happy, lovely, happy, happy, and then something's happened and then it's all kicked out.
SPEAKER_03It starts out with somebody being a bit handsy, and then you've before you know it, you've got blood on the floor.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, exactly. And it's just, you know, and it lost careers. And then people on the streets absolutely got crap the next day for so many reasons. Yeah. So yeah, I think that, but yeah, so is that bingo or line of duty? I'm gonna have to stick to my guns, but you've made some really good arguments about bingo, and you're right. I I'm making a huge judge. Oh, I've done it again. Sorry, furry mic.
SPEAKER_03You know, there's gonna be lots lots of people who are lonely and you know and bingo's the and don't go and waste a load of money on the machines and swipe their credit card, but just have a little bit of pocket money every week to go and have a go and have a line of bingo so they're not on their own. Yeah, I agree. That's where you end up with bingo horse for the course.
SPEAKER_05About the third time I'm feeling really, really guilty now for saying that and really judgmental, and I have been, so I can't argue.
SPEAKER_03But there's also lots of people who feel that line of duty gives them something to hold on to and something to look forward to.
SPEAKER_05So, yeah, but community, for the sense of community, bingo offers more because whatever I think, if I park my judgment for a moment, I'm actually defending your argument now, knowing that it's the right one, because actually, if it gets people out for once a m week, once a month, and it's their one chance to socialise and get out and meet other people and meet old friends again, whatever, in whatever way, and if that makes them happy for a couple of hours once a month, or once a week, or whatever it may be, or once a night, it doesn't matter, does it? That's their choice, and if it's that if it's the community that people are going for, then that's got to be a good thing, right? That's gonna help people with their mental health, and that's got to be positive. So you win again. So line of duty is going in room
Queue Rage And Customer Service Fails
SPEAKER_05101. It is now to anybody tell me whether there is a new series. I'm sure there's a new series coming out. We're gonna get one of the stars of line of duty ringing up on the hotline, aren't we?
SPEAKER_03I think at some point we're gonna have to go and find this series and go right back to the beginning and see if it hooks us that way.
SPEAKER_05There's yeah, I think we should. Definitely. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Anyway.
SPEAKER_05So line of duty, you're in room 101. It's controversial. Okay. This is the point of the show, really, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03Right then. So question 12 is this now or 13? Is it 13, 1, 2 now? Yeah. Question 13. What minor inconvenience turns you into a completely unreasonable human being?
SPEAKER_05This is so not going to win either, because it's just my lack of patience. It might. So it's my it's traffic cues, but it's particularly cues at it's cues when people cut in. It's not just about the queue itself, but it's the way people cut in to get like two cars ahead. So they're going in the same direction as you, but instead of just waiting, they decide to overtake and then cut in, and they're two cars ahead, and then eventually you end up behind them and they've not got any further. They've just been a pain in the bum and made people wait longer. It's a useless waste of time for me because it's it what's the point? You've gone two two or three cars ahead, and like 30 seconds later, there you are again, and I'm just behind you for whatever reason people switched off.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. What's going into your room 101? Is it traffic cues or people cutting in in cues? It's people cutting in in cues. Okay.
SPEAKER_05If we all just waited, and I know I've got my purchase. I'm I'm actually disabling my own argument, aren't I? Really? Gold, I'm not very good at this as well. Remind me, don't ever do this again, Asher, with Taz. That's fine. Or anybody, in fact. Why? It's a good one. And definitely don't do you know what? We're gonna have to we're have to we're gonna have to, aren't we? What? We're gonna have to do one of these podcasts bingo. You know, we are, aren't we? I'm gonna have to do a podcast at bingo and and bingo. Oh no, I am, but just yeah, yeah. I just know that's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_03But yes, I think we should something we should do some kind of competition or something between us on here where we both pick a four feet, and if you lose, we have to go and go to bingo.
SPEAKER_05Is it the same as a four feet? Yeah. Yeah, you said a four feet.
SPEAKER_03Well, maybe we have got four feet between us. Have we? Yeah, I've got two and you've got whose are they?
SPEAKER_04Where have they come from?
SPEAKER_03If I was a boy, I would have four feet. We should have something where there's some kind of four feet, four feet.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Where if you lose, we have to go and do the night at bingo. Oh no. And if I lose, what would it be if I lost? What would we have to go and do then?
SPEAKER_05We'd have to have we'd have to have a 24-hour line of duty watch. We'd have to do that. You'd have to do it, we'd have to do it. We could do it for charity or something and do it like a 24-hour.
SPEAKER_03If I'm only saying you've got to go to a bingo session.
SPEAKER_05Because you're not going out anywhere, so you're not making an effort, you've just got to sit on the sofa. And knowing you, you'll probably be on your phone anyway. But your no, your phone is banned, so your phone's removed. So you've got no yes, no distractions. You're allowed food, you're allowed snacks and water, but but uh or drinks of your choosing. But whatever it is, I've got to make sure I'll win then. But you are not allowed your phone. You can have you can have fidget toy. What do you think, guys? Should we do that? You're building more and more rules in this. Okay. So what about you?
SPEAKER_03Picture the scene. Okay you're out and about somewhere, nice sunny day. Yeah. You're in, let's say you're in a busy shopping centre, you've gone to meet up with friends. Yeah. You're ambling, you're walking through the streets, and then before you know it, yeah, you're stuck between people in front of you who are just ambling really slowly.
SPEAKER_05Oh, you're not going to say what I thought you were going to say.
SPEAKER_03Ambling really slowly. Okay. And then people box you in at either side, and they're ambling really slowly. And before you know it, it feels like the sky is closing in and you're boxed in, and the walls are getting closer, and you can't move at a normal pace. You're moving at a glacial pace with lots of people who are ambling and not even recognising that they might be holding people up. I cannot stand a feeling that I'm getting trapped behind people who are walking too slowly. It does my absolute no. I actually start to get panicky. I hate it. Apparently, it's quite a common idea actually.
SPEAKER_05What do you say that, Scott? I've heard that to do that.
SPEAKER_03I can't stand it.
SPEAKER_05Okay, oh, so that's a yeah, that's a difficult one because I've seen the reactions you've had to that. I'll give you a way. I'm like, oh no, oh no. So I would say that I get that, and I see that from a human point of view, because those with ADHD or on the neurodivergence scale would would appreciate that. So again, I think probably out of the two arguments, although equally actually though, to be fair, yours could cause accidents and loss of life. Oh, do you know what? I'm just going to let you argue for and against all of them, and I'm just going to agree. There's no change there then, eh?
SPEAKER_03I think out of the two, although mine does mine not, yours is more dangerous in the scheme of things.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, because what happens is people get peed off, and then they take silly risks, and they come out and cut people up on the on the.
SPEAKER_03And we don't mean people who, you know, are driving along and then suddenly realise, oh shit, my lane's closed. I've got to get rid of it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but can I also say part of it as well, and I didn't put it on there in the final, but the first thing that came out was indicators. Your indicators are there for a reason. They are not just for Christmas. Or just for Christmas. So please use them. Just when we I think there's this uncool thing to do now. I think people almost get to the point where they get a little bit kind of, you know, but arrogant about their driving, a bit, you know, like I know what I'm doing, I've been driving, I've been driving for 30 years.
SPEAKER_03Usually if they're in a BMW or a white van.
SPEAKER_05Okay, but they so they don't use their indicators at all. We have indicators for a reason, so use them, use them, and also say thank you when somebody lets you in. Don't just take it for granted. There you go, it's getting me moaning now. But all of that, courtesy, road courtesy, general, overarching theme. I think deliberately on the road.
SPEAKER_03Deliberately skipping the queue and trying to cut in at the front. It's probably yeah, that's gotta go in.
SPEAKER_05Right, we're having that one, and that's going into room 101. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Right then, your turn to us.
SPEAKER_05Which one are we on? Oh, right, okay. Chinese this now. 14. Okay, so what type of customer service experience belongs in the deepest, darkest corner of room 101?
SPEAKER_03Now, yet again, I was torn between two here, one of which was very specific to me, and one probably has impacted many others. Okay. So the one that probably lots of people will be familiar with is when you go into quite a nice shop potentially, if it's something like a jeweller's maybe. Yeah. And you just go in in, you know, faded old jeans and a hoodie or a t-shirt, and the retail staff look you up and down as if to say, what are you doing? You can't possibly afford anything in here. I know that happened to me once in corporate world. I'd gone in in a in an old Leicester Tigers rugby shirt and a pair of jeans, and they wouldn't even serve me. And I went in the next day straight from work, same staff on, walked in in a suit, and they were all over me. Didn't give them my money. But times in those days, I was so, I so wanted to say, would you like to compare wage slips? Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Arrogant cow turned into you at that point. So there was that one, and then I thought, well, the other one, which is more pertinent to me. What type of customer service experience? This one was quite pertinent to you. But this one, the customer service experience that belongs in the deepest, darkest corner of room 101. The doctor who asked if I'd ever used anything like a cucumber. I remember you you were talking about that the other way. You were in the room with me.
SPEAKER_05No, I mean I was there, yes, when that was said originally, but we were talking about two days ago. That sounds like Cluedo, two lesbians. Sure in the doctor's room.
SPEAKER_02In the doctor's room with a cucumber.
SPEAKER_03It was when I was going in for surgery when they were trying to see what was going on and eventually diagnosed out of an homepsis. I've got the giggles now. You know what? Various things painful. And then she said, Well, do you you know? And it's like, well, you know, not really relevant. Well, do you ever use anything, you know, like a cucumber?
SPEAKER_05No. What kind of my salad?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03What have you been watching on which channels? I'm putting that one in just for a little bit of humour. A bit of titillation. A bit of titillation.
SPEAKER_05Did you know that? Have you seen those videos dinner rounds on TikTok where cats are scared of cucumbers?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they've been doing around for ages, cats and cucumbers.
SPEAKER_05All cats are lesbians. No, that doesn't make sense. No.
SPEAKER_03I am one and I've never used a cucumber in that way. Well, that's what I mean. Well, you're just Well, that doesn't mean that cats are, because that would assume oh, because they're scared of the cucumbers. I'm not scared of the cucumber, I just don't want to sit on it.
SPEAKER_05Curti, let's let's keep keep cucumber cucumbers to our salads. Let's do that. I think so. That will be the headline from this week's podcast. Yes. This is the cream. My vegan cream. We need to move on now. We need to move on. So what's yours, Ash? I have to put down, because I've seen this on, I've seen you being unmerciful with people that do this, and it still happens. Oh dear. When people call you up, and it's um they're obviously reading from a script. Yeah. Obviously, customer servicing, and they're reading from a script, and they're not they're not listening to you at all. They're really not. You could be saying anything, you could be talking about those cucumbers that we've just mentioned, and yet they've gotta stick to the script. Whatever they do, they've got to stick. Doesn't matter if it's completely irrelevant to what you've just said, they stick to the script, and you still get that occasionally. We've had that. That's what I mean, but you do, so I'm immediately thinking maybe, but that just that for me is like, oh god, it's just so annoying, and just so like for goodness sake, do your job, do your job, do your homework a little bit. Well, they are doing their job.
SPEAKER_04Yes, but really bad.
SPEAKER_05Yes, but the script, the script thing, get ditched it. So actually, but they're not allowed to do but ditch the script, give them a bit of ditch the script, but give them a bit of flexibility with the script. So that's not Actually, the people who call it's the people who are giving them the script. Yeah, the people who are giving them the scripts, give them a script. If they want to talk about cucumbers, let them talk. No, don't. What cucumber rings? Cucumber, yeah. Hello, cucumber here. Okay, well. You sound very muffled. Where are you? Oh dear, this is getting worse. Right, okay, which one are we going for? Come on, Taz.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna argue for my retail pe retail staff who look you up and down and make judgments based on what you're wearing.
SPEAKER_05Because I've I've had that and it's made me feel like two millimeters. Even though my clothes were my clothes were cheap. They were expensive jeans. It's made me feel two millimetres tall when I'm at least five.
SPEAKER_03And we actually had a couple of scenarios, didn't we? I don't know what people thought I'm just ignoring you. Well, I don't know what people thought we were up to. Well, we actually got followed by security guard a couple of times in Lakeside of all places, wasn't it? And in WH Smith. I mean, what do you think we're gonna do? I've I've got a ruler. We're gonna steal one of those novelty erasers. Woo!
SPEAKER_05To go with your cucumber. Show me a cucumber.
SPEAKER_03So next one.
SPEAKER_02Rubber.
SPEAKER_03Oh no. Oh, I'm so funny. So we're putting we're putting um judgmental retail teams in.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, okay. That's going in. Yeah, room
Self Help Myths And Productivity Shame
SPEAKER_05101. Right then. So, Asher. Am I reading a question now? No, I am now. Oh, you are now.
SPEAKER_03Go on. What motivational self-help or coaching advice would you gladly eradicate? This is really kind of fresh.
SPEAKER_05I thought about this, I thought, can I say this? Because this might you might get peed off with me if I said this. But it's basically that you can achieve anything if you want it badly enough. I want to be in the Harlem Globe Trotters. Yeah. No, you can't. And it's this whole kind of push about you know, you don't have to kind of break your back trying to achieve something in that way. You don't have to get up at 5am if you don't want to, or keep pushing through that comfort zone, and that's gonna leave. It's that kind of thing that I really you can, you know, I find really difficult to grasp. Because sometimes life is genuinely really shitty, yeah, and it's really hard to get out of that. And the last thing you want is somebody standing up there with their shiny suit saying, You can achieve anything, yes, you know, and all of this. And I just think sometimes we need to. I knew you would. Don, that's why I think it's a good one.
SPEAKER_03Because I get it, it's the extremes thing again.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But I also firmly believe that if you want something enough, if you genuinely want it, not you just like the idea of it, if there's something you genuinely want enough, with the exception of me wanting to be a seven-foot-tall Highland globe trotter, you know. I just you remind me of the Jumblies who went to sea in a sieve. They did. They did. In a sieve they went to sea.
SPEAKER_05I think it was green or blue? Green. Oh green, weren't they? Oh yeah, no, I thought the boat was oh no, pea green, I'm thinking of the owl and the pussy.
SPEAKER_03Isn't that part of the same thing though?
SPEAKER_05We're going weird now. Carry on, anyway, argument. Go on. I don't mean we're having an argument, I just mean.
SPEAKER_03So there's that chapter in the Unleash Rawson book, isn't there, about the money mindset thing.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Where somebody was saying, would wouldn't you like this little cabin in the woods you you might like, and it's like a great big mansion made of wood. And somebody arguing that with with me about that saying, well, why don't you have that then? And I was like, well, because I've never set my mind on wanting that. But if I specifically wanted that cabin in the woods, and that was my absolute driver, and I decided to have it, I have no doubt that I could achieve it. I don't, it doesn't matter how much I tried to do that for an experiment, I just don't want it enough, I'm not committed enough. But with the exception of things that are genuinely not possible, like I can't be an eight-foot Harlem Globetrotter, for instance, there's a part of me that believes that if we genuinely want it and set out to achieve it. You're saying what I'm saying, there's there's not much that can stop us from doing it. And so often we look at people who we perceive are where we want to be and go, why are they that? It's probably because they've started moving towards it and haven't stopped. So I'm I'm not sure where the glib, you can be anything you want, yeah, bollocks. But if there's something you desperately want, for me, one of the most crushing attitudes is the butt I'd never be able to achieve that. Well, no, you won't with that attitude. But if you really genuinely there's a difference between genuinely wanting something and thinking it might be nice on a vision board. Well that's the thing, that's the difference.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's the real when you scratch the surface, does it go beyond the glib kind of statement?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And it and it's in here, it's in your bones, it's in your your psyche, it's in everything about you, and that's what you want.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean that thing that you say you really, really want. If I said to you, I don't know, okay, so we can have that, you can get that tomorrow. You need to stop everything that you're doing now, yeah, and have that thing that you want, would you want it? That's that's your key.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. Actually, your test your test, isn't it? That's the litmus paper. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03If you really want something, then what are you what are you doing to achieve it? I mean, times I say, oh I love lotus cars. But do I want one enough enough to go and get one? No, if I wanted one that much, I'd go and get one. I'd find a way to get it.
SPEAKER_05And actually, I'm thinking about that because I was like that years ago, I used to go on about a Can Am spider, look them up, they're amazing, amazing things. And because we I rode pillion on one and loved it. It's a trike, basically, a very, very, you know, posh trike, a very posh trike, they're amazing things. But and I talked about it so much, but I never went out and kind of did anything really to put things in place to do it.
SPEAKER_03Now, here's the interesting thing, Tim, because for quite a while I was setting my sights on getting you a Calam spider.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And I've no doubt I would have done it. I'd looked up the prices, I was putting a plan in place, and then we sat having a conversation one night, and you went, Yeah, but it'd just sit on the drive, wouldn't it? And then we'd have to try and put it in the garage, and then it'd never get used, so I don't really want one that much. So then I stopped. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Good job we didn't drop 20 grand to put whatever on one of those.
SPEAKER_05No, but if you'd asked me that, say, even like five years ago, it would have been a different answer. So we're going off slightly, so yeah, I get you. Okay. So But the glib. That I think that's it's the glibness. It's the it's how it's delivered and how deep the message is. Yeah. So m so may maybe that's where I've fallen foul of that in the past. And there's a little bit of like, yeah, well, I've done that.
SPEAKER_03I've done the run to the back of the room thing and we burned by it without it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so come on, give us yours then, because you know it's gonna win.
SPEAKER_03Uh right, where where was it? There was a statement, and I love Gary B Gary V to bits, but I know this is one of the things old Gary V used to say as well, and he's not the only one, which is essentially if you binge watching your favourite show, you've got no excuse for not doing the work. So if you're saying, Oh, I I haven't, I still haven't got this, that, and that, and I haven't got what they've got, or I haven't got time to do this, that, and the other, but then you binge watching your favourite show. And I think I kinda get it. I get it, there's there's an excuse there, and it's whether you want it all enough or lot or not. But there are also people, and again, particularly neurodivergent people, who need to switch their brains off for a bit. I suspect a lot of the entrepreneurial people who are way up there actually are neurodivergent. And I suspect if Gary V was neurodivergent, if he was ADHD, for instance, his hyperfocus would be business. He loves it. But for somebody else who's neurodivergent, they might not be able to hyperfocus for that long and that for that long, and they might need something to switch them off and into an entirely different direction, and that might be binge watching a show.
SPEAKER_05But also, isn't it about I was thinking about that because I was thinking, right, if we took between us, our things that we like to hyperfocus on, what are the things at the moment? We know mine, I've been really open about because I mention them every every pretty hedgehogs and football. Right, yeah. How could I monetize that? How could I monetise that love of those two things?
SPEAKER_03You could write a book on hedgehogs. Right. You could write a book on football. Right, yeah. Lots of ideas. You could write a book about a hedgehog who wants to play football, but every time they try and play football, the spikes burst the ball. So then they try using a stone and it breaks their toe.
SPEAKER_05Oh, you okay, it's good. That's fine.
SPEAKER_03What I'm saying is look at what worse still is the hedgehogs who want to play rugby and then they go into the scroll and then they get stuck together like stickle bricks and they can't go after the ball. I've lost you know, toss. That's how you could monetize that.
SPEAKER_05You can't no, I'm not I'm not trying I get that. I was just saying, so what would yours be?
SPEAKER_03Yours would be at the moment My current hyperfocus. I've been writing an awful lot, been writing some stories. I've been reading stories, though. Something that I'm planning to turn it into a series of fictional novels. Okay. But I'm trialing it first by making some tweaks to it and pushing it out in the fanfic community. So we'll see. It depends if my hyperfocus can last long enough to get it done. Um I'm also reading a lot of really trashy daft fic thick at the minute because I've been that's been my hyper focus on my switch off. What else? I was hyper fixated on getting the little book of Sweary Soul prompts kicks out. It's done. It's done. I've been hyper focused on writing some newsletters for the business on Saturday, they've they're done. I've been hyper focused on redesigning Unleashed, that got done. And I need to hyper focus on doing some more books. That will need to get done.
SPEAKER_05Right, you win the argument. Move on. You win. Why? I'm not even arguing anymore because it's like that's what's that got to do with anything? What?
SPEAKER_03You were asking me what I'd been hyper focusing on.
SPEAKER_05I know, but it's just like shows you that you've just turned on so much stuff, which is cool. And I feel like I've done this much now. That's my shit.
SPEAKER_03No, but I'm still beating myself up because I've done all these things, but not those other things I wanted to do.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_03You know, it's mad. So what's going in the It's gotta be yours. It's gotta be yours. Okay. So we put sorry Gary V and anyone else who's ever said it. Let's do it. I think you're just letting me win now because you're getting bored.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, inattentive. Come on, let's move on. Just move on. Move
Tailgaters And Road Courtesy
SPEAKER_05on. Right, your turn. Which one was this? This was seven, is this 17? Driving behaviour. Yeah. Oh, crumbs, we're back to that. Oh, now you see now. Oh, I've just realised I've kind of Yeah, because you worked that into an earlier one. Yeah, what driving behaviour deserves instant room 101 treatment? Oh, okay. I have already kind of mentioned it, but not in any detail.
SPEAKER_03For me, it's people who try to push you to go faster, especially in unsafe conditions.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So and again, personal experience. I remember when I was driving back home to you in Kent one night when I'd been to see my mum and my family in Leicestershire, and it was one of those nights where it was absolutely pelting it to the point where you could not see your hand in front of your face. That kind of that kind of really scary rainfall on the M25 is not fun.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_03And I was in the slow lane, I was trying to just take my time and be safe. I couldn't see where I was going. Visibility was shit. And there was a lorry behind me beeping at me, driving right up my bumper to the point where I actually felt like he was trying to push me off the road, blaring his horn at me.
SPEAKER_05And it's like I think you ought to mention that to Kelly and Darrell at MCP.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, it wasn't no, I was it wasn't a good it wasn't a lorry from this country, which is not to say that you know, but I I don't even know where they were from, whether they weren't used to the roads here or but that to use a colloquialism that shit me up much.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That yeah, I'm happy driving in snow and ice, I'm fog, I'm I'm more than happy, but that really heavy pelting rain, particularly because of that incident, that still gives me the willies now, as it were.
SPEAKER_05I get that, that's gives me the wiggins. That's happened with me. There's a particular route that we take when we go and see your mum, and it's always on that road, it's a single-lane road. Yeah. And it's quite a long stretch. And we you always get lorries coming right up and on your back bumper if you're not absolutely on the cannon it. Can it be above, and you don't even have to be below the speed limit. Sometimes it's when you're right on the limit and the weather's not great, you take you just you know, being good and driving carefully.
SPEAKER_03I think I was doing about 50 that night and it was as fast as a dad go.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, same with fog though, isn't it? Yeah, you know, if there's fog, but you've got to reduce your speed.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, I get it. My other thing was around that, and I did mention it earlier. Again, it's about courtesy, road courtesy. So that comes under it. So I mentioned on here, I just put down about when people don't even acknowledge something. If you let somebody out, if you give people the opportunity to, you know, have the space to move into the queue, whatever.
SPEAKER_03You know, for me to don't flash it or put the hand up to say thank you.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. That not acknowledging that I think's really, you know, it doesn't take anything just to do that.
SPEAKER_03No, it doesn't, it doesn't.
SPEAKER_05So which one are we going with? It's got to be yours, because it's a road safety thing. It's gotta be that, definitely.
Forgiveness Pressure And What It Means
SPEAKER_05So that's going in really.
SPEAKER_03Although yours is really, really irritating as well.
SPEAKER_05It is blooming irritating.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Right then. What unwritten social rule would you abolish completely?
SPEAKER_05Oh, now. I thought about this one because again, this is morally. I'm like, can I say that? I'm gonna say it. I think it's the idea that you have to forgive someone in order to move on. Ooh. To me, you you don't. You can accept what happened, you can heal, you can get on with your life, and you can still you can still have that opinion that what they did was not good. It's not it's not nice. And I think you can put some of that thought and use that to fuel you in a positive way. Doesn't mean you hold on to the poison per se, but I think actually sometimes we can get caught up in the the forgiveness element, and actually what we need to do is actually just let it let it go, and I think sometimes the forgiveness comes later on. You don't have to do that first. Sometimes the seeking forgiveness go though, if you haven't forgiven. I think it's about timing.
SPEAKER_03So I think sometimes I think you I think you can you can because for me, sometimes if you're forgiving someone, you're not doing it for them, you're doing it for yourself, so that you can let it go.
SPEAKER_05But I think forgiving comes often, you can do because it's the right thing to do. I think what I'm saying is the kind of preachy forgiveness thing that I think can be used, we can hide behind that to say that we're morally in the right because we've done the whole forgiveness thing. But actually, if you're not feeling it, sometimes you can beat yourself up trying to own it from my past. I can beat myself up trying to own the forgiveness, and actually, sometimes it's better to be angry, to feel a bit peed off, yeah, to be shat on, and to have that moment, and then in my experience, sometimes that forgiveness comes a bit later. It doesn't have to. I sometimes think we've got the order of things wrong. We can get stuck in the forgiveness bit, and that's holy than our boldness. If we just parks that for a moment, yeah, I think naturally when you're at a a bet and you're in a better place, then the forgiveness can come. Does that make any kind of sense?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, totally. It does in my head. And also the the thing I'm thinking as well, I was just trying to think, what are the things that I've experienced people do that I still feel were absolutely wrong, and have I forgiven them or have I understood perhaps more why they did it? Yeah. Yeah, okay. I can if I think back to some of the horrible things I've seen or experienced, I can have empathy and under and an understanding of why that person or group of people did that. But that doesn't make it right. So I can let it go from that regard. Yeah. But do I forgive them? And I'm not sure actually. I'm thinking about it more and more. I think I think I've gone, well, they did the best with what they had at the time.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. But I think I think sometimes we can, it's almost we've become, we've been taught that, you know, to forgive, obviously, is the way. But what I'm saying is sometimes, yes, absolutely, we want to be because we're, you know, it's a arguably it's a better place for us to be in mentally, emotionally, but to get to that point, sometimes the pain and the emotional dysregulation can come from being caught up in that emotion of trying really hard to forgive, but not feeling it, not sensing it, not owning it.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so can I ask a daft question then? Because I'm thinking about this now.
SPEAKER_05Oh good.
SPEAKER_03A bit of thinking time to say. I know. But from that point of view, what does forgiveness actually mean? What does it mean? How do you know if you've forgiven someone? Because I don't think many of us think it of it more than more through much more of a surface level of somebody saying, sorry, okay, I'll accept your apology. Don't worry, it's fine. What does it mean?
SPEAKER_05When do you know you've done it? I think when that connection with that person, there's still, if you like, an element, a whisper of that that particular incident or series of things is still it's lurking, it's still around somewhere.
SPEAKER_03You've not fully say, well, why is it still lurking? And is it still lurking? Because on some level you know they're entirely capable and probably quite likely to do it again. Yeah. Yeah, that's true, you're right. But what does forgiving somebody actually mean? You've just a peaceful heart.
SPEAKER_05That sounds really trite and really but uh and not for me anyway, physically, sometimes I I struggle with kind of recognising uh physical feelings around body bodily physical feelings. I I struggle with that sometimes. But for me, there's a real pang, there's a real heart pull when something really hurts, when something's happened that's really, really of course hit you in the fields as we use that.
SPEAKER_03And I'm pretty sure that we could both name some of the same incidents.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but I think the forgiveness element as that if that does go further than the surface level, it somehow it eases that punch in the field. So every so if that comes up again, it's it's it's less it's less apparent. Apparently's a wrong word, what do I mean? It's less it doesn't hit as hard. It feels less damaging each time. It's a bit I suppose it's a bit like when we're when we're grieving and suddenly we're able to talk about somebody, and even though that sadness, that grief is still there, it's just less acute. And I think it's the same with the forgiveness thing. So it's interesting. Does that have that again?
SPEAKER_03I think that makes sense. Yes, but I think it depends on the definition, and I hadn't thought about this until we started. I think until beyond that's what came. I just I just dropped into Chat GPT. What does forgiveness actually mean? And Chat GPT gave me a version of forgiveness where I thought which which I thought, well in that case I have. Okay. But then I said, but but where's that definition? Where is that from?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And he said, well, that's one I've just made up. And I said, well, what's the actual dictionary definition? And they're quite different. So the Oxford English Dictionary defines divines, defines forgive principally as to grant free pardon to a person for an offence or wrongdoing. And also in relation to the offence itself, to essentially to pardon or remit it, Cambridge Dictionary gives the everyday meaning as to stop blaming or being angry with someone for something that person uh for that that person has done. Okay. Which is interestingly different with the increasingly popular definition as forgiveness is releasing the hold that something has of you, over you, which is more kind of modern psychological therapeutic. But when I first asked that question of Chat GPT, what it came back with, which I quite liked, is forgiveness is often misunderstood. Many people think what it means is saying what happened was okay, or pretending they weren't hurt, but that's not what forgiveness has to mean. A deeper way to think about forgiveness is this forgiveness is choosing to release the grip that a hurt has on your heart without necessarily releasing the other person from responsibility.
SPEAKER_05Hmm, okay, that's a nice way of saying it, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03Now, if that was the actual definition of forgiveness, I could say, yeah, I can forgive.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah. Because that that come that comes back to what I was saying, doesn't it? About that, you know, the having that feeling of as a physical representation, actually feeling your heart, feeling heavy, feeling hit in the feels.
SPEAKER_03But when it strays when it wades into the ground of, I don't know, forgiveness, forgive and forget. No, I can forgive, I can let go of the hold it has, but I'm not going to forget. Because that's stupid. You're just going to come and do it again.
SPEAKER_05But that's also because you're not going to forget because there's stuff that, and without, there's always stuff, there's always a good thing, something good will come out of that, however painful that is. I believe that, I firmly believe that, that somewhere along the way there is something that will be not benefit, but something will come out of that, will help us grow as an individual. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'm sure. So I mean I mean, without going into all the details on here, if we thought about some of the family stuff where you where we've struggled with and where people have told lies and and all of that, I think I've forgiven as much as I possibly could there. But I wouldn't want to forget because I'm pretty sure that those same things could and probably will happen all over again. Because that particular branch of individuals are always gonna be homophobic and have an issue with us being together. So therefore I know I still have a lot of hurt around that and I know you do because your family. But that hurt. Can you fe do we forgive that? If we let go of it, is that the same as forgiving when we know that the same thing would probably happen again?
SPEAKER_05That's a hard one, isn't it? I've taken us down a real rabbit hole in the world. So fast is an interesting one though, isn't it? I think again another podcast in its own.
SPEAKER_03And in the same way that if I think some of the some of the people who've hurt me a lot recently, you know, if we think about events, for instance, can I forgive that? Well, I can say they were operating with the best they could with the tool the to the best ability that they could with the tools they had at the time, and as far as their worldview, can I let that go? Yeah, I can. I've learned a lot from it. But does that mean that I'd say it was okay and trust that it wouldn't happen again? No, it means I'm gonna stay completely out of that zone.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Because I I don't want to be a doormat more than once, thank you.
SPEAKER_05Well, that's exactly what's happened with me, isn't it? With that particular thing you were talking about for me. And that's exactly that was the choice I made when I walked away. Yeah. For that very re for what not that just that reason, but that was a core part of it. Yeah. Because it's like you d you know, that history's gonna keep repeating those patterns, looking for patterns. If they keep happening, why would you keep putting yourself into that position where that can happen again and again? So yeah, really interesting one. So so yeah, I've taken us down that.
SPEAKER_03What did you Well I'm just gonna mention the other few things that the chat said as well. So it said it can mean that means several things. Forgiveness is not forgetting, you can remember what happened and still forgive. Forgiveness is not excusing, harmful actions still remain harmful. Forgiveness is not reconciliation. Rebuilding a relationship requires trust and change from both people, and you can forgive someone and still decide they shouldn't be part of your life. Forgiveness is not denying your pain, in fact, genuine forgiveness usually begins by fully acknowledging that you are hurt. Instead, forgiveness often involves accepting that the past can't be changed, letting go of the desire for revenge or for the past to have been different, choosing not to let bitterness define your future, making room for peace even if justice is still important. So I love this definition of forgiveness, but I'm not sure that actually matches the dictionary meaning. And if forgiveness meant this, yes, but from this point of view, surely in order to move on, and I might be talking about my personal experience more than anything now, the person I most need to need to forgive in order to move on is me. To forgive myself for falling for that line, to forgive myself for allowing myself to be hurt, to forgive myself for being daft enough to get into that scenario, to forgive myself for for not shielding more, to forgive myself for not being, you know, harder line in terms of my mindset when I walked in there for any one of these scenarios, and even when I go back to, you know, some of the abuse I went through all those years ago. The biggest part of healing from that was forgiving myself and letting go of the shame for having allowed that to happen in air quotes. So maybe forgiveness starts with us. And maybe there doesn't need to be such an emphasis on forgiving the other person more as much as for forgiving ourselves and giving ourselves compassion and empathy for ending up there, and finding a way to park that to not have bitterness and to accept that I I think most people are acting with the best tools they have available at the time, even if we believe it's abhorrent. Wow. So anyway, my unwritten social rule that I'd abolish completely would be the requirement for hair kisses.
SPEAKER_05Oh thank goodness we've got something a bit lighter. Wow, okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think yours should go into room 101 then.
SPEAKER_05I was I was a bit of deep thinking. I can do it occasionally, you know. I might have to I need to lie down in a darkened room now. Well uh yeah, I just well, okay. What do we think then?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Call the hotline. Tell us what's your take on forgiveness. I'm reminded of that lovely line from one of the chicks' songs. Forgive sounds good, forget. I'm not sure I could. They say what is it? They say they say time heals everything. Oh, I love the chicks, they're fab. But I'm still waiting. Yeah, that's nice. Okay.
SPEAKER_05Anyway, okay, so. Oh crumbs, I should have written this down. I've I've missed the question. Just looked at the thing. It's that, I'll
Childhood Hazards We Survived
SPEAKER_05do it. I've said I know, but I haven't I didn't, you know, we went through them beforehand and I've lost. I don't know if I did it or I missed it.
SPEAKER_03Oh, have you not actually written anything?
SPEAKER_05No, I wrote it down because I went through these all before we went live. We didn't show each other, but I couldn't have written one, so I'll just have to make one up in the on the spur of the moment. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Right, well, you're supposed to be asking the question for this one anyway.
SPEAKER_05Well, that's all right, they'll give me okay, all right, I'll go for it. So you can go first then, and I'll I'll come up with something, don't worry. All right. Okay, what thing from your childhood are you amazed humanity ever tolerated? Children's paints in lead tubes.
SPEAKER_03Do you remember? Yeah. Yeah. Watercolour and oil paints that were in lead tubes.
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SPEAKER_03That they could chew or suck or just roll around in understanding.
SPEAKER_05Well, it's the same with kids like soldiers and you know, toys like that. Yeah, lead. Weren't they? Well, lead. Yeah. Yeah. Goodness me.
SPEAKER_03And I also remember, not a child, not a thing from childhood, but I remember my granddad giving me an empty, you know the the jars that baby food used to come in?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Little jar little cown gate jars with a green lid and the little popper thing on the top that told you if it had been opened. Yeah. Early fidget toy. And gave me one of those with mercury in it. And I used to sit putting the mercury into my hands and playing with it. And oh look at this, isn't this cool? Imagine now if there was a kid playing with mercury. Oh goodness. Whoa, no. But anyway, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Lead tubes. Lead paint tubes. Oh, just off the top of my head, okay, off the top of my head. I've got fireworks, but like jumping jacks and things.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05They used to just chase you around the gut. And you'd obviously be, I'd say, stand back, but we'd do those in the back garden. Or you'd have a casting wheel. I think we've spoken about this before, but I just remember my dad being chased, well not chased, but in nailing the casting wheels on the on the trellis, and he didn't nail them on straight, and they'd fly off all over the place. And you'd have blooming great rockets. I mean, really big, powerful blooming rockets, and you'd just like put one little thing on it to secure it, and you know, it'd be horrendous that. What else? What else? Oh, well, when we f when I was, I can't remember what year did seatbelts come in? Oh, it was the 80s, I think, wasn't it? No, it wasn't it would have been 70s, but I think it was late 70s. I'm sure when I was checking out the times, because I think when I was lit, I don't think we had to wear seatbelts in the duck seats came seatbelts came much later, didn't have to wear them in the front. That's what I mean. What year was that? Because I was born in 1968, so I'm sure that my first few years on this earth when I was a kid in the car, I didn't have seatbelt. Oh, well, I didn't. And also the smoking as well, everywhere.
SPEAKER_03As kids. There you go. In 1983, it became compulsory for drivers and front seat passengers to wear them.
SPEAKER_051983.
SPEAKER_03And that's told you. And then in 1989, children in the rear had to wear seatbelts where fitted.
SPEAKER_05Was it really as late as that? And in 1991, adults in the rear also had to wear them. That's ridiculous. I didn't know it was that late. I would have said 70s. No. That's ridiculous. Remember it being the 80s. So that puts it in perspective because I've learned that from our childhood that was. I learned to drive in 1987, do not say with a red flag in front, being carried in front, because that's what you normally do. 1987 I learnt to drive, and if I'd been two years older, I wouldn't have had to wear a seatbelt, would I?
SPEAKER_031983 it became compulsory for front seat driving. Oh, was it okay? So yeah. But it's in this bonkers because in 1965 new cars had to have seat belt anchorage points. Right. In 1967, new cars had to be fitted with front seat belts. And then nobody used them. And then it wasn't compulsory to wear them in the front until 1983. So why but that's ridiculous, isn't that ridiculous?
SPEAKER_05Yeah. But yeah, that so oh there's so many things about childhood, aren't there? Yeah. And and indoor fireworks, which I loved, and I still do. I I think you can still get them in certain places, but I love, weren't they just like little slugs? We've talked about those as well.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the indoor fireworks, yeah.
SPEAKER_05I used to love those. I know. Oh and shell suits, but I was that much older then because I think that was an 80s thing, wasn't it? Yeah, but that's what wouldn't people have tolerated. Oh about the highly flammable night dresses. The thing body things, body suits which are back in. Yeah, back in with the little poppers.
SPEAKER_03I know, why? Just why? What about those flammable night dresses that were always on that's life? Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that my cat licked. He used to have a thing for for nighties. He used to lick my nighties so it was sopping whack.
SPEAKER_03Also, one of the toys that was in in I remember I remember reading about this not too long back. Do you remember Lawn Darts? Yeah. They were banned in 1988. Were they? Yeah. 1988. Heavy metal tip dart was marketed about as a backyard game. But they weren't banned until after there'd been multiple fatalities.
SPEAKER_05Oh, crikey. So again, things we wouldn't have. So what goes in come on, what goes in room runner one?
SPEAKER_03Oh well, I guess a vase, what did you actually decide on in the age? What did I say? I can't remember. I've just rattled on about loads of stuff. Well, I was talking about lead paint tubes. And you said what?
SPEAKER_05Well, I suppose ch children in well, the serious thing is children in a car without seatbelts on. For a sort of anybody in a car without seatbelts is in itself is horrifying to think about it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Amazing that we all survived. And the other thing, of course, was this is what always makes me laugh. We go on about this a little bit too. That we of course we didn't have mobiles when we were kids. So you your mum and dad would just say, be back at tea time. There was no phone, there was no kind of you know, security check. Was there at all? No. You had to go to take a 10p with you, or two, however many pence it was at the time, or a phone card later on as you got older, and ring me if there's any problems, and you just go out and you come back at tea time, or when it gets dark. That was the other thing. Did you get that as well? Yeah. When it gets dark.
SPEAKER_03No, because I wasn't allowed to stay out for as long as you were.
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SPEAKER_05Yeah, so it's loads. There's loads. So come on, we've got to put something in. So what's it gonna be? Uh is it gonna be shit?
SPEAKER_03Probably seat belts.
SPEAKER_05Let's do the seatbelts thing because that's gotta go seatbelts.
Public Figures And Final Banishments
SPEAKER_03That wouldn't have been tolerated. Exactly. That's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_05What's Bailey got you? Okay then or something. Right, okay. So we're nearly there, guys. So if you're two winners, thank you. We've got to stop. This is probably gonna be about three.
SPEAKER_03This is the last official one. Right. And then we've got a golden ticket, no category, no restrict no restrictions. Okay. So Asher. Yes. You can put one famous person into room 101. Oh. Who is going in and why? I'm not gonna get sued if I say this. I've no idea what you're gonna say.
SPEAKER_05It's gotta be Nigel Farage. I just his politics, his party, his way of doing things, is just not for me, it's not right. It's helping to divide this country even more than it is already. And I just think it's just I don't trust a word he says, and I'm amazed that people actually believe what he's saying, and people still wanted to vote for him and didn't vote for Count Bimface because he would have been a much better choice.
SPEAKER_03I think you're like my golden ticket answer. Go on. I put JKKK into that one. Yeah, JK Rowling I put in there for every reason that I've cited earlier in the in the podcast. So again, who's gonna go in?
SPEAKER_05Probably farage. And that's not to disrespect or why a wonderful no trans community. The trans community legitimate people.
SPEAKER_03Ultimately, JK is one person funding a lot of it. But if the reform law ever got in, they'd they would be even worse in terms of the laws for trans people. Because it's so many of the policies that that that have been brought in, the the legal They'd be right down there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So it's gotta be. Yeah, okay. So are we going yeah, we that was was We're going Farage. Okay.
SPEAKER_03I think on his way falling down into room 101, he's gonna accidentally collide with JK and they'll both fall in together. Oh, that's cool. And I can't climb out. Okay, that sounds like a good plan.
SPEAKER_05I like that.
SPEAKER_03Gonna make it like one of those pot bottles where you turn the inside out to keep flies in. Yeah, okay. You can't get out again.
SPEAKER_05Very good idea. I like that. Okay. So golden ticket. What is the golden ticket question? I don't think I even answered that. Oh no, I did, I did. Yeah. Got him. That's baby that's baby sneezing and running rubbing round and rolling.
SPEAKER_03Robbing round and rolling round in his bed. In his bed.
SPEAKER_05It's gotta be. It's simple, isn't it? It's cruelty.
SPEAKER_03Hold on, you've got to tell people what it is first. What? What's the golden ticket question?
SPEAKER_05What? Oh, sorry, have I got a oh okay. I've not done the I've done my answer before the right, okay. The golden ticket question is what are you getting rid of forever? And I say cruelty.
SPEAKER_03No category, no restrictions, one final room 101 nomination.
SPEAKER_05And by that I mean cruelty in all its forms. To people, to animals, to the planet. Deliberate cruelty when we've got the ability, the choice, the capacity to choose differently, and we don't. We keep doing the same thing over and over and over again, and just makes me very, very sad. I think if we got rid of that, then we'd be a lot happier.
SPEAKER_03Can't argue with that. Um, I said political ignorance. Okay. And I think these two are actually hand in hand. I cannot abide it when someone stands there defending a politician or a party and they don't actually know what they stand for. I think it should be the absolute law that somehow, where before we vote, we have to be educated on the main policies and the voting records of every individual and every party that we're about to vote for. Nice one. I think we absolutely should. And in that way, we'd immediately get rid of a load of cruelty. Because let's be honest, a lot of the reasons that people vote for pharagine's plunkers, it's through ignorance because again, they're doing the best they can with the information that they have, but they are not scratching the surface. They're not going and looking at the policies of the other parties, they're not actually digging into anything below immigration, immigration. They're not scratching the surface. They're not looking at actually whether immigration benefits a country or not, they're not bringing into any consideration the fact that it was much easier to control immigration before Brexit. They're not looking at how much this country's been ruined by the ridiculous Brexit plan that he got paid five million quid for. They're just, oh, Nigel's a man of the people. Is he bollocks? A man of a man of witch people, a man of highly privileged and corrupt people. Yes, he is. A man of the people of Clacton? Have a word with yourself. Count Boomface. That's who I would have voted for. So again, if somehow we could get rid of political ignorance, I think by default we'd get rid of a lot of cruelty.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And vice versa. And if we got rid of cruelty, then we'd also get rid of the need for not having political ignorance because we wouldn't have our souls in charge.
SPEAKER_05And we might also allow people that are working towards helping our planet, this what this planet that we live on, to be preserved for future generations instead of being happy to destroy it. Yeah. And those other beings that walk it, uh walk upon it, other than the ignorant two-leggeds. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So I think of those two, whichever one we put in would cancel out the other. So if we put in cruelty, we won't have to worry so much about political ignorance because there'll be nobody being nasty. Let's do that then. Let's be in cruelty. Cool. I think
Your Turn To Nominate
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